Friday, April 30, 2010
The 35th Anniversary of the end of the Vietnam War
DRILL BABY DRILL!! - OOPPS!!
Ecological Disaster Looms as Gulf Spill Moves Toward Fragile Coastline
Officials: Leaks Spewing More Oil Into Gulf
by Cain Burdeau
Boats collect oil leaking from the Deepwater Horizon rig. (Chris Graythen/Getty/AFP)
But time may be running out. Not only was a third leak discovered - which government officials said is spewing five times as much oil into the water than originally estimated - but it might be closer to shore than previously known, and could have oil washing up on shore by Friday.
At the same time, there appeared to be a growing rift developing between BP PLC, the operator of the oil rig that exploded last week in the deep waters of the Gulf, and the Coast Guard, which is overseeing the increasingly desperate operation to contain the spill and clean it up.
Coast Guard Rear Adm. Mary Landry was emphatic at a hastily called news conference late Wednesday that the new leak was discharging 5,000 barrels a day of sweet crude, not the 1,000 barrels officials had estimated for days since the Deepwater Horizons drilling rig exploded and sank 50 miles off the Louisiana Coast.
But appearing at the same news conference, BP's Chief Operating Office Doug Suttles was just as emphatic that he didn't believe the amount of oil spilling into the water had ballooned - or at the company wasn't able to handle the ongoing operation to contain it.
"We're actually applying every resource available to us," he said.
Suttles pointed to a diagram of the leaks and said the location meant the amount of oil pouring out had not increased. Asked again, Landry stuck to the NOAA estimate and said it was based on aerial surveys, study of the trajectory of the oil slick and other factors.
The Secretary of Homeland Security has briefed President Barack Obama on this new information and the government has offered to have the Department of Defense use its equipment and expertise to help contain the spill and protect the U.S. coastline and wildlife, Landry said.
"It has become clear after several unsuccessful attempts to determine the cause" that agencies must supplement what's being done by the company, she said.
This all played out at the end of a long day as crews began an experiment to burn off parts of the slick - the latest in a series of high- and low-tech efforts to stop the oil leak, reel in as much of the oil as possible to prevent it from washing ashore and harming the fragile wildlife and plant life that dot the coast.
Landry said the controlled, test burn was successful late Wednesday afternoon. BP was to set more fires after the test, but as night fell, there were no more burns. The burns were not expected to be done at night. No details about when more were planned were given during the news conference.
Crews planned to use hand-held flares to set fire to sections of the spill. They turned to the idea after failing to stop the leak at the spot where a deepwater platform exploded on April 20 and later sank. Eleven workers are missing and presumed dead and more than 100 escaped the blast, the cause of which has not been determined.
A 500-foot boom was to be used to corral several thousand gallons of the thickest oil on the surface, which will then be towed to a more remote area, set on fire, and allowed to burn for about an hour.
The decision to burn some of the oil came after crews operating submersible robots failed to activate a shut-off device that would halt the flow of oil on the sea bottom 5,000 feet below.
Officials had estimated about 42,000 gallons of oil a day was leaking into the Gulf from the blown-out well drilled by the Deepwater Horizon oil rig. That would be closer to 210,000 gallons a day with the new estimates. Eleven workers are missing and presumed dead and more than 100 escaped the blast, the cause of which has not been determined.
A spokeswoman for a U.S. military base in Colorado Springs, Colo., that provides support to civil authorities during natural disasters said BP has not requested the defense department's help to contain the leak. However, the North American Aerospace Defense Command and the U.S. Northern Command at Peterson Air Force Base, were anticipating the request, said Stacey Knott.
"We are looking at how we may be able to offer support if we are asked," said Knott.
As for the burn, Greg Pollock, head of the oil spill division of the Texas General Land Office, which is providing equipment for crews in the Gulf, said he is not aware of a similar technique ever being tried off the U.S. coast. The last time crews with his agency used fire booms to burn oil was a 1995 spill on the San Jacinto River.
"When you can get oil ignited, it is an absolutely effective way of getting rid of a huge percentage of the oil," he said. "I can't overstate how important it is to get the oil off the surface of the water."
When the flames go out, Pollock said, the material that is left resembles a hardened ball of tar that can be removed from the water with nets or skimmers.
"I would say there is little threat to the environment because it won't coat an animal, and because all the volatiles have been consumed if it gets on a shore it can be simply picked up," he said.
Authorities also said they expect minimal impact on sea turtles and marine mammals in the burn area.
A graphic posted by the Coast Guard and the industry task force fighting the slick showed it covering an area about 100 miles long and 45 miles across at its widest point.
"It's premature to say this is catastrophic. I will say this is very serious," Landry said earlier Wednesday.
From the air, the thickest parts of the spill resembled rust-colored tentacles of various thickness. The air was thick with the acrid smell of petroleum.
Amid several of the thicker streaks, four gray whales could be seen swimming in the oil. It was not clear if the whales were in danger.
BP says work will begin as early as Thursday to drill a relief well to relieve pressure at the blowout site, but that could take months.
Another option is a dome-like device to cover oil rising to the surface and pump it to container vessels, but that will take two weeks to put in place, BP said.
Winds and currents in the Gulf have helped crews in recent days as they try to contain the leak. The immediate threat to sandy beaches in coastal Alabama and Mississippi has eased. But the spill has moved steadily toward the mouth of the Mississippi River and the wetland areas east of the river, home to hundreds of species of wildlife and near some rich oyster grounds.
The cost of the disaster continues to rise and could easily top $1 billion.
More than two dozen vessels moved about in the heart of the slick pulling oil-sopping booms.
Earlier Wednesday, Louisiana State Wildlife and Fisheries Secretary Robert Barham told lawmakers federal government projections show a "high probability" oil could reach the Pass a Loutre wildlife area Friday night, Breton Sound on Saturday and the Chandeleur Islands on Sunday.
In Plaquemines Parish, a sliver of Louisiana that juts into the Gulf and is home to Pass a Loutre, officials hoped to deploy a fleet of volunteers in fishing boats to spread booms that could block oil from entering inlets.
"We've got oystermen and shrimpers who know this water better than anyone," Plaquemines Paris President Billy Nungesser said. "Hopefully the Coast Guard will embrace the idea."
Associated Press writers Janet McConnaughey, Michael Kunzelman and Brett Martel in New Orleans; Melinda Deslatte in Baton Rouge and Holbrook Mohr in Jackson, Miss., contributed to this report.
© 2010 Associated Press
Wednesday, April 28, 2010
FACEBOOK'S TRUE FACE
Yea, it was too good to be true right? Correct. Watch this if you think you know all there is to know about one of today's most used and most trusted so called, social networking sites, the ubiquitous site known as FACEBOOK. It makes sense that if the Gov't wanted to collect trillions of bits of info on us it needed to create sites we'd all play in and give up the info willingly. The question is why?
Monday, April 26, 2010
BILL MOYERS - William K. Black
You want to know how Goldman Sachs ( AKA Men with Sacks of Gold), Morgan Stanley and the rest got away with massive fraud and even got rewarded for it? Take a peek @ William K. Black's interview on Bill Moyer's Journal. Oh and if you believe they've all been exposed now and it won't happen over and over again, think again as Prof. Black explains why this is far from over.
Sunday, April 25, 2010
BIG OR LITTLE CASINOS AGAIN...
Friday, April 23, 2010
SCI FRI. - THE EPA HONORS DERY BENNETT

Thursday, April 22, 2010
EARTH DAY @ 40
Earth Day + 40 , so where are we now as compared to 40 yrs. ago? Honestly, things are far worse in many respects then back then. Our population for one has nearly doubled and since that era China and India are becoming Industrial powers and are greatly adding to the pollution pulse these last 40 yrs. have become. Today unlike 1970 we now are aware that another mass extinction is well underway on Earth as Global warming proceeds a pace ( no matter what the idiot class on the right says about it). We also know that our belated attempts at controlling much of the pollution pouring into our environment have failed and failed miserably. At the center of these failures are an increasing understanding of how our World economy and society has become the plaything of a tiny ravenous group of human predators whose only concern is their own well being and the huge profits they can squeeze out of every inch of the planet and it's inhabitants. IMO, if we don't get this class of Global criminals and their Governmental enablers under control were toast. Tuesday, April 20, 2010
THE ROAD FORWARD
Saturday, April 17, 2010
BEACH REPORT:
Friday, April 16, 2010
SCIENCE FRI: - VOLCANOS

Thursday, April 15, 2010
THE AC BOARDWALK MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION MEETING 4-13-2010
I'd like to thank "Pinky" Kravitz long time local Radio Personality and Atlantic City's unofficial spokesman for inviting me to the AC Boardwalk Merchants Association meeting this past Tues. and for asking me to address the group in regards to the AISPP. It had been many years since I'd had the opportunity to talk about the Project in public. Of course this group is already on record against the present project design and has even managed to get the AC City Council to public ally ask the NJDEP for a change in the height of the AC portion of the Project "dune." Of course the NJDEP said absolutely not! I'm hoping the information I gave them about the Project history and events surrounding the Project has given them a new perspective on how to possibly move their proposal forward with the new DEP management just appointed under Gov. Christie.
Tuesday, April 13, 2010
THE BATTLE FOR LBI GOES ON!
Good article @ the title link about the battle being waged on LBI over an Army beach project. Everywhere the Army goes they leave behind divided communities and neighbors at war with each other. In places like Atlantic City they've left behind a ruined economy as the AISPP now stands firmly in the way of any renewal based upon AC's once World famous boardwalk. This is how our Gov't and it's Corp. pals now deal with anyone that gets in the way of THEIR plans. They roll over you with their bulldozers and claim it's all for your own good. Who asked them? It's not even a Dem. or Goper thing it's both parties and how they serve the same masters in the Big Corp. world and the Big Gov't one. Don't belong to one of these two world's and your the enemy of both.
Monday, April 12, 2010
MARGATE ORDINANCE 14

On April 8th Margate's City Commission had a first reading for proposed Ordinance 14. This new law would if passed extend the present Commission's term in office by 6 mos. The Commission believes it's merely following the law or regulation coming out of Trenton allowing NJ communities with municipal elections in May to move them to Nov. The purpose to bring all elections in NJ into synch and therefore save a few dollars. On the face it doesn't seem like a big deal. Some might even say it's a good idea and I agree, it is for the long run. However, in this particular circumstance, it's being carried out in an extremely controversial manner. Why? Because, it is a basic tenet of the democratic process in America that elected officials DO NOT in any way alter their OWN tenure while in office ( short of resigning for misconduct.) ( In a parliamentary democracy the ruling party can call for early elections.) We do not live in a parliamentary democracy.
It is a direct "CONFLICT of INTEREST" for elected politicians to extend their own tenure for any reason , even a change in the laws of that polity or State in which they exist. It's not only a direct Conflict of Interest but IMO it is also unethical , as well as showing extremely poor judgment.
Friday, April 09, 2010
SCIENCE FRI: - OCEAN ACIDIFICATION - THE LAST OYSTER HAUL
by Brendan Smith
Thanks to greenhouse gas emissions, it's looking like my days as a commercial fisherman are numbered.
I've been working the sea on-and-off my whole life. At 15 years old I quit high school to work the lobster boats out of Lynn, MA; later I fished cod and crab boats on the Bering Sea. As over-fishing decimated the cod stocks, I headed back home to Newfoundland to try my hand as a fish farmer growing halibut and salmon.
Now I'm an oyster man, growing 100,000 organic oysters a year on a 40-acre plot in the Long Island Sound. I see myself as a new breed of green fisherman, who have shifted from hunter-gatherers trolling the seas in search of declining fish stocks, to ocean-based farmers, sustainably growing shellfish on small plots of ocean acreage for local markets. (Oysters rank as one of the top "super green seafoods" by the Environmental Defense Fund.)
But now, just as I've regained my green sea legs, scientists tell me that in the coming decades I won't be able to make a living growing oysters anymore. They tell me greenhouse gas emissions from burning fossil fuels are turning the oceans acidic, and oysters, already fickle little creatures, are likely to be the first victims.
Here's how the marine biologists tell me the process works: Oceans absorb about 25 percent of the world's greenhouse gases from human activities. The problem is that too much CO2 absorption also raises water's acidity. Increased acidity reduces carbonate -- the mineral used to form the shells and skeletons of many shellfish and corals. The effect is akin to osteoporosis, slowing growth and making shells weaker. If pH levels drop enough, the shells will literally dissolve.
The acidification of the ocean today is larger and faster than anything scientists can find in the fossil record over the past 65 million years. According to a recent study in the journal Natural Geoscience, current ocean acidification is taking place at ten times the rate that preceded the mass marine extinction 55 million years ago.
Oysters and other shellfish are expected to be some of the first victims of ocean acidification. Researchers at Stony Brook University's School of Marine and Atmospheric Sciences found that even minor increases in ocean acidity have significant, detrimental effects on the growth, development and survival of hard clams, bay scallops and oysters. Scientists already suspect that acidic water is responsible for killing several billion oyster, clam and mussel larvae that were being raised at the Whiskey Creek Shellfish Hatchery on the Oregon coast in the summer of 2008.
But it's not just my oysters and livelihood that are imperiled. Shellfish and other vulnerable species function as crucial links for entire ecosystems in the ocean.According to the NRDC:
The new chemical composition of our oceans is expected to harm a wide range of ocean life. The resulting disruption to the ocean ecosystem could have a widespread ripple effect and further deplete already struggling fisheries worldwide... A more acidic ocean could wipe out species, disrupt the food web and impact fishing, tourism and any other human endeavor that relies on the sea.
Commercial fishermen have conflicted hearts. We're famously independent, often wary of government regulation. We have traditionally had a complex, often combative relationship with the environmental movement. But at the same time, we also have a deep respect and love for the sea. Our lives, our livelihoods, are held at the mercy of natural forces more than almost any other occupation.
Politicians try to cast workers as not caring about protecting ocean resources and the perilous effects of greenhouse gases. They say the coming crisis is too far off and we're more fearful about environmental policy destroying jobs. Exactly the opposite. Protecting my life and livelihood requires protecting the oceans and planet.
Brendan Smith is an oysterman and labor activist. He is co-founder of the Labor Network for Sustainability and Global Labor Strategies, as well as a consulting partner with the Progressive Technology Project.
Thursday, April 08, 2010
MALCOLM McLAREN Dies!!
The founder of one of Rock history's most revolutionary bands "The Sex Pistols" has died. Malcolm McClaren was 64. The S-Pistols established Punk as one of Rock history's iconic music forms and helped shape music and popular culture for 3 decades now. Today, we take this genre for granted as it continues to influence almost all forms of art and culture and even politics. Malcolm was the true creative genius behind the pistols and had also been part of the proto-punk glam band The NY dolls of early 70's fame.When the Dolls broke up in the early 70's Malcolm and his girl friend returned to London and opened up a legendary clothing store SEX. ( Hench the name SEX PISTOLS). By the late 70's he was once again on the world stage with the Sex Pistols, one of history's most despised and hated acts @ that time. Today however we can look back on the Pistols almost nostalgically as the founders of an entire cultural and musical world all of it's own. Adios, Malcolm I'm sure you'll be welcomed among the other Rock heroes that have passed.
Wednesday, April 07, 2010
FREE LUNCH - DAVID CAY JOHNSTON
I've been reading this 2 yr. old book by NY TIMES Journalist and Pulitzer prize winner David Cay Johnson. I highly recommend it to anyone who really wants to understand how things work today in DC and our State Capitols. Our local Congressman Frank Lobiondo is even mentioned in it as a buddy of now in prison and once super lobbyist Jack Abrahamoff. Johnston names names in this book and he savages the hard cash kultur of politics today in this corrupted land of ours. It's a stinging indictment of how the country is being ruled today by one party that he calls the party of MONEY. He lays out for you how the Fortune 500 & others gets it way and why the general public gets little or nothing anymore for it's taxes. Anyway, you can buy it cheap right now online @ places like Amazon.com or probably find it at your local library. ( I did)
Sunday, April 04, 2010
HAPPY EASTER!! NEW BOARDWALK OPENS FOR THE HOLIDAY!

Saturday, April 03, 2010
BEACH REPORT: FIRE SALE!!
Last week it was Borgata partner MGM Grand selling off it's 50% stake and the week before Carl Icann owner of the Trop. was buying up Trump casinos debt in anticipation of a hostile take over of that troubled Casino Empire and this week it's the announcement that huge Wall st. brokerage firm Morgan Stanley is selling off it's interest in the half way completed REVEL Hotel and Casino. Whose next? Rumors are more then 3/4's of AC 's flagging Casino Industry is for sale and at Fire Sale prices! This is a good thing for the town since many of the present owners are buried in debt and clueless. Let these losers leave and sell to new operators with new ideas, hopefully. In any event it will unburden many of these aging halls from ruinous debt piled on them by greedy operators.Friday, April 02, 2010
I'M DONE
On Being Done With Democrats | |
| By: Hugh Thursday April 1, 2010 11:11 pm | |
This began as a comment to el duderino’s post calling for us to move away from Democrats and toward other parties. It got so long it morphed into a post of its own.
There is a simple truth that the healthcare debate revealed and that is there is not a single Democrat in Congress or in this Administration who was willing to stand up for the compromise progressive position of the public option. Not one. Not Kucinich, Grijalva, Woolsey, Bennett, not even the independent Bernie Sanders. Not one. And let’s be clear. The public option in so far as it was ever defined at all had by the time of its demise become a small uncompetitive program, a highly dubious stepping stone to future reform. And the reason it became so weak was precisely because these same Democrats dodged like crazy putting forward, defining, and fighting for a real "robust" public option.
So when some say they would think about voting for a strong non-Democratic progressive, unless a progressive Democrat is in the race, know this: there are no such Democrats. There are some who will call themselves this. They will come here, engage in a little cheerleading, take a few checks, but when it comes to the vote, they never heard of us. We have seen this again and again.
But the failures of Democratic "progressives" go far beyond this. I am reminded of Sherlock Holmes’ observation about the dog that didn’t bark. If the so-called progressives in the House had stuck together on healthcare they could have made a difference. We could argue about how often such opposition would work and produce a change. But when you think about all the disasters, criminality, and constitutional excesses of the Bush years and how Obama has shown again and again his firm intention to continue and expand them, where is the progressive outrage? I hear no barking. Even if they can’t win on a single vote, we should still hear their voices, but we don’t. Oh sure, we get sporadic speeches in the House and Senate from time to time but where are the members willing to lead a protest outside the White House or down Wall Street? How many will march to the Pentagon to demand that Gates explain the folly of Obama’s wars or put on a street trial of the banksters in front of the Treasury. Timothy Geithner come on down! Explain why you are in bed with the crooks.
Democrats neither bark nor bite. The question that everyone here has to ask himself or herself is do the Democrats represent you. Not that they might represent you or could represent you but are they representing you. My view is that they are not. Not on healthcare, jobs, financial reform, foreclosures, not on Medicare or Social Security, not on the wars, the Constitution, or the rule of law. Put simply, Democrats have shown exactly zero interest in representing us, so it is about time we begin to look for those who will. That is the logic of the situation. You can reply with voting for the lesser of two evils and more and better Democrats, but we have tried these, and they haven’t worked. And I do not mean they haven’t worked a little. They haven’t worked at all. Just look at healthcare. That was the Democratic party and its "progressive" Democrats in action.
Parties don’t come ready made. They have to be built. Remember how we used to excoriate the pols who told us they would do nothing to impeach Bush because they didn’t have the votes? This is the same. We aren’t doing this simply to win. We are doing it because it is right. And if not us, then who will begin this process? Nor do we need to pursue a single strategy. If we can find a progressive to run in a Democratic primary, we should use the Democratic party’s own machinery for getting on the ballot and run against it. The key here is to find not a Democrat willing to run as a progressive but rather a progressive who is willing to run as a Democrat. If our candidate doesn’t win, then we can go with a Green or other candidate in the general.
The basic takeaway here is that We. Do. Not. Have. To. Win. to be effective. In swing districts, even 5% can be the difference between victory and defeat for a candidate. Even in a deeply blue area, district or state, running a candidate in either the primary or general can force the incumbent and party to spend resources they could use against us elsewhere. Some would say this is just acting as spoilers. Yes, it is. What’s your point? We win where we can, and if we can’t, we spoil. If Democrats want to buy us off, fine. I have no problem with that. We shouldn’t give a fig for what they promise us though. Promises aren’t worth the air they consume in being made. If a Democratic incumbent wants our support or does not want us running against them, then they better have the track record to back it up. Cosmetic votes and the occasional speech won’t cut it. Now as I said above, I don’t see Democrats doing this, at least until we show we mean business. But we should keep our options open and remain flexible. We should be willing to run both inside and outside the Democratic party. We should be ready to cut deals, but only on our terms. We need to learn to walk before we run. We should not expect to win races right away but we can begin to influence them. And we need to be ready to be in this for the long haul. We need to be ready for how our current crop of politicians are going to treat us. They will ignore us, then disparage and seek to discredit us, then they will try to split us. But as unions used to know but have now forgotten, our strength will be in our solidarity. And as we are a contentious bunch, we better have a damn solid program we can all understand and sign off on.
Two related points. For now, incumbents and mainline party candidates will be able to outspend us. They will have access to corporate and party coffers. But there is a huge populist anger in the country looking for an outlet and an expression. I think most of what progressivism, real progressivism, is speaks directly to that discontent. We have real solutions to the real problems of this country, and that is what that populism is looking for. We should be, we are, a natural combination. That is what we need to counter the big bucks and deep pockets of the parties and corporations. And in this regard, we should not write off the red states. Populism cuts across traditional party lines and loyalties. Jobs, foreclosures, holding the banksters to account, these are not red/blue issues. They are American ones. And a good progressive/populist can hit a corporate Republican as easily as a corporate Democrat.
- Why I will not be voting for Martha Coakley Tuesday January 14, 2010
- Progressives, please help defeat Coakley January 17, 2010
- Wake up! Progressives are NOT Democrats. They just carry their baggage. February 25, 2010
- What to do With Firedoglake resources March 27, 2010
- Why SHOULD They Vote For Coakley? January 16, 2010





17 Comments
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Need the right name, first. Green ain’t gonna fly, sounds like potsmokers in boats. Alliance sounds like sci fi. No Bullshit Party has swear words. Mine won’t work The Spoiler Party. Job one it needs a good name, there’s a reason drug companies pay millions to come up with drug names. You can connect to people instantly if you have the right name.
I’ll just repeat something I’ve said in many ways, many times. We only matter to politicians when we can either give them or deny them power. We can only do that if we are willing, as a group, to vote for someone else. If you aren’t willing to vote for someone who is not a Democrat, because you think that whatever the Republicans will do is worse, or whatever, then you don’t matter.
That’s why they screwed us on the HCR bill. We don’t matter. Whatever they’re afraid of, it’s not us. They need, in the sense Jefferson meant when he said that in a tyranny the people fear the government, and in a democracy it’s the reverse, to be afraid of us.
If you’re not willing to vote against Democrats, accept things as they are, because they will not change. They’ll continue to think they own you, and they’ll be right.
And you’re right, Hugh, we don’t have to win anything. What we have to do is make it possible for Democrats to lose. Remember, to give or deny power means you matter. I’d rather win, but I’m not married to the idea.
Thank you, Hugh. This is a beautiful diary.
I just finished a long discussion with my husband about why I find the current situation so discouraging: the lack of any “heroes” — anyone to speak up.
It’s truly frightening how effective [and nefarious] Obama has been in destroying the “opposition.”
I too see this as a matter of conscience and morality. As you said,
Can you imagine MLK or Gandhi behaving in the shameful, cowardly manner the Democrats did in the health care matter. [Frankly, I'd like to ask John Lewis that question.]
So thank you for your thoughtful articulation of the situation.
Hugh –
I agree with Mauimom: beautiful diary, full of excellent ideas. You’re dead right about progressive goals speaking directly to the populist public sentiment and brewing anger at government.
As for a party name, may I suggest we take over the largely semi-dormant or dormant Reform Party of Perot fame? The name is perfect, and there must be political experts who can advise us on how to take over local chapters, then use that control to move up to the state and national level entities. (I’d be willing to bet that a lot of Reform Party chapters haven’t complied with their own state’s laws and regulations regarding meetings, financial reports, etc.)
Reform Party sounds good to me, I’ll see if my state has one. I am certainly ready to vote against dems, I’m pissed.
Yes exactly. Hit those 3 area’s hard and hit them repeatedly.
Call it the Business Party. That’s not a joke.
When Americans have jobs, homes and law&order… America is back in Business!
Sorry Big Jess… I won’t touch anything a Buchanan has been in physical contact with without gloves on.
Welll… Coffee Party was a big yawn. Cross that one off the list.
How about the “Nazi Socialists.” I think the far right done played that card so many times they done worn it out. ;)
Seriously… I’m thinking.
examples…
http://www.ndp.ca/
New Democrats (CA)
http://www.libdems.org.uk/
Liberal Dems (UK)
Labor Party (AUS)
http://www.alp.org.au/
And that’s being very charitable.
Can’t be emphasized enough.
Hugh, I believe the D’r and R’s are void of meanlingful Ideology.
Further, your list:
are not R vs D issues and do cross those lines.
If a consistent strong unifying message is presented, people will be attracted as there are many more issues the majority of Americans agree on vs disagreeing on. (I think the unifying message attracted many voters in 2008) Name calling would have to stop, it’s just not really attractive or unifying.
The key may be Message, Message, Message. (and by message I’m really saying issues)
I self image and identify as a conservative, I attempt to conserve in most areas of my life. There is a group that refers to themselves as Progressive Republicans, is becoming less affiliated with the party. Civil/Human Rights, clean environment, smaller efficient government are some of their main issues. You might be able to attract out of that group also in addition to some Teas.
Your idea of hijacking the Dem party’s machinery is attractive but it could be either party’s machinery that could be confiscated for a cycle or two. We probably wouldn’t attract as many Teas if we fly under the ‘D’ banner (maybe). In ‘92, the Congressional District I was in gave plurality of it’s vote to Perot and soundly voted (89%) for Jesse Ventura in ‘98 as Gov running under the reform party banner. There is Significantly more anger today than there was in ‘92 or ‘94. ‘94 was throw the rascals out. The mood today is much less respectful, they’re scum now.
Great Diary Hugh. Now is the time to engage. Thanks!
Time to start skimming the scum
Our state Reform Party renamed/morphed into the Independence Party after Buchanan hijacked the Reform party.
Agree on the glove thing, a pole would be nice also as I would want very little contact with anyone that’s still hanging around there …
Great diary Hugh. I could not agree more. It isn’t about winning, it is about influence. We have zero influence. Ironically, this is exactly the approach Jane was using in her PO campaign: pose a credible threat to defeat the bill in order to force the powers that be to make it better. The fact that there are those here at FDL who fail to grasp this principle in terms of electoral politics (as well as legislation) baffles me.
When we pose a real threat to Dems, they will either change their behavior or they will go the way of the Whigs.
Until we pose a threat, we will continue to have zero influence. I for one, am done with that. If it takes supporting 3rd parties, so be it. The Dems do not represent my interests and they have not represented them for a very long time.
Mauimom, I agree with your comment completely, but I’ll add that what truly frightens me is the complacency with which the vast majority of voters continue to vote for party first and foremost. Until voters become willing to abandon both parties in significant numbers, those parties will continue to ignore the will of the people. That could well prove to be fatal to our democratic system of government.
There’s the Progressive Party in some states, and the Vermont organization has been around for a while. They’ve built from the ground up and gotten results.
Yes, absolutely correct. I changed my registration from Democrat to Unaffiliated in 2008 over my disgust with the emasculation of what used to be considered core Democratic, but are now considered “far left”, values in the primaries. The ascension of Republican-lite party leaders like Obama and HRC was the last straw for me. And now even the so-called liberal wing like Feingold, Kucinich (et tu Dennis?), et. al. have either been bought off, made irrelevant or simply muzzled by the Obama/Emmanuel machine. The Democratic Party is not our friend and neither is it a force for positive social or political change.
I agree that multiple strategies, third-parties, primary challenges, etc. must be used. Trying to work within the current Democratic Party structure is like pissing up a rope. They are only interested in power for power’s sake, the trappings and privilege of their offices and the corporate gravy available to them once they leave office “to pursue other interests” and step through the revolving door to the lobbying, BOD or CEO position. It’s guerrilla warfare time.
They did abandon them in 92′ and 96′ Perot got significant numbers in both elections and really elected Clinton both times. Interestingly, Obama’s election proved the electorate after 3 decades of Conservative rule by both parties had moved to the left. I’d argue Obama did a bait and switch running within a Progressively framed campaign strategy and then tacking hard right once elected. A big part of our problem these days is low level of political literacy now. It’s surprising how many people don’t know the definitions of the various regime types and political philosophies and because of this extremely low level of understanding Obama is able to get away with this type of framing and the Gopers are more then happy to assist him. A Political literacy campaign is in order. Once we have out there the proper definitions for what people are seeing maybe we can turn things around , but as long as the right can call Obama a socialist and get away with it we’ve got real problems.
This post and it's comments at the FDL site pretty much sums up why I'm no longer going to vote for Dems. anymore. If your a Goper and reading this don't get to excited though that doesn't mean I'm suddenly joining the tea party people or the GOP. To the contrary I'm not going to vote anymore for either party's candidates. I'm going to vote for people who I think more closely represent my interests and societies. That also might mean none of the above and writing in a person if need be. I no longer subscribe to the lesser of two evils theory.